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Should the President Have Met With World Leaders Rather Than Appear on 'The View?'

Critics from both the left and the right are slamming President Barack Obama's decision to go on ABC's "The View" while not meeting with world leaders. What do you think?

 

There has been some criticism of the president for missing opportunities to meet with world leaders, but not missing opportunities to appear on popular talk shows. The most recent instance was Tuesday when he and the first lady appeared on ABC’s “The View.”

CNN anchor Wolf Blitzer said he thought that President Barack Obama may have made a “misstep” by choosing the ladies of "The View" instead of the traditional meetings with world leaders in town for the United Nations' Convention.

“I do think there is potentially a missed opportunity this week for the President of the United States to meet with world leaders,” Blitzer reportedly said.

Others have been far more critical, calling it a lack of leadership at a time when leadership from the United States is sorely needed. The New York Post reports that House Majority Leader Rep. Eric Cantor (R-Va.) called Obama’s decision to go on “The View” as a “lack of willingness to lead in times of trouble.”

While the Obamas were chatting with the ladies of “The View,” White House spokesman Jay Carney was grilled by reporters as to why the president chose not to include meetings with world leaders on his schedule. Carney said the president has had extensive telephone conversations with leaders where there has been unrest of late.

So what do you think? Was skipping meetings with world leaders yet finding time for a taping of “The View" a misstep by the president, or are telephone conversations with world leaders all that is necessary?

Related Topics: President Barack Obama, The View, and question of the day

Scott Terry

8:37 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

No! He's an bonehead and should resign. Those who support Obama should be prepared to apologize to their Granchildren someday.

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John Cook

12:13 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012

He told the ladies he was there as "eyecandy." You must respect a person who can produce such a clever line when the Middle East is on the verge of war, yet he refuses to meet with the leader of one of the countries. Our feeling of security and well-being has deteriorated, but he is "eyecandy," so things are not so bad.

Your debt has increased by 60%, resulting in the devaluing of your dollar by one-third. Groceries have gone up, unemployment for women, their children, their spouses, has gone up. So who is REALLY waging war on women?

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M.A.Dawson

12:25 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012

And, don't forget, the death's of our citizens including our Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens. All just "bumps in the road".

Hey! No sweat folks. Nothing to get excited about. It's not like it was one of Obama's daughters or the father he dreams from. This Guy Is The Elected President Of The United States Of America! What the hell has happened to this nation?

RL

8:48 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Incredible,Obummer would pander to the female vote than address leaders at the UN.
His foreign policy is a shambles. He would have to answer to his foreign peers. As we all know, he is ill-prepared to answer them. Obama is the second biggest scam perpetuated on the American public next to Social Security. He is a pathetic joke of a president.

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M.A.Dawson

9:08 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Seeing how we now have few or no allies thanks to Obama, it would be best if he crawled in a closet and shut up all together. Obama is a disgrace to the United States. We are so screwed thanks to Obama and his zombie supporters.

Wake Up America!

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JP Frachiseur

3:26 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Im confused in where you're pulling these facts from? Because I can assure you that this is not the case at all. President Obama has one of the highest approvial ratings by other world leaders when it comes to how he is handleing his foreign policy and world events in general. So why again would be loosing support from foreign goverments? Which Countries are you talking about, because I would love to know who & why?

Also, on a more personal level..
Unlike most here on this message board, I haven't spent my life in Dacula. I've traveled the world, deployed to two different war zones under three different conflicts, and two different presidents. With this, I can promise you, without a shadow of a doubt that there is more trust and more general accilades towards President Obama than there ever was for President Bush. The majority of the nations that I've visited under the current president whether it be Ireland, Germany, Iraq, Afghanistan, or where ever, have all expessed their support for Obama and his push to get reelected. Now I can not say the same about the last republican that was in office. All I'm saying is before you believe everything you read, & before you go taking the O'reilly Factor as scripture, look into it a bit. The narrow minded, bigoted agrenda that is sweeping across message boards such as this one are pathetic. It makes me sad to know that I'm fighting for peoples rights to free speech and their doing nothing but wasting it on narrow minded slander.

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Jordan Canu

4:21 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

JP, you sound like a real smart guy with a real great head.

Also, thank you for your service.

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"B"

8:56 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012

I'd like to state that JP Frachiseur is entitled to his view and we appreciate his service. However, I believe HE needs to recheck where he's getting his information from. Obummer does NOT have the highest approval ratings - either domestically or abroad. Our credit rating has been downgraded and so has our military and domestic policies been downgraded under this man.

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Scott Terry

9:02 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012

The only world leaders that love Obama are terrorists. JP never served anyone but himself. No Thank You.

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JP Frachiseur

4:40 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012

Scott:

I really almost want to take your comments as a joke because they are so strung out and far fetched. I mean, honestly how can you say that the only people that support President Obama are terrorist? Is it because a U.S. led air strike on Libya brought detriment to their plan there? Or was in in fact the mass amounts of money that the United States rushes to other countries in the form of cash and munitions to fend off these militant groups? I'm pretty damned sure that these extremist aren't thanking the United States for making their cause harder to reach. That comment was obviously null and has no backing at all. And to tell you the truth it does. Oth g but make you look like a narrow minded, wrong side of the track, Hebron attending bigot that's idea of being cultured is ordering the "south west omelet" at the waffle house. Leave the couch, turn off the television and actually become educated before you throw out horrid statements lke you just did because this doesn't accomplish anything but prove the mullet haveing, snake skin rocking stereotype that the rest of the free world places on us.

And you can say all you want about me and my service. I know what I've done, and I know what I've saw. I was running missions out of camp taji Iraq in Baghdad and FOB delta in Al Kut Iraq from 2009-2010 and then went on to run missions all along the airborne valley in the eastern providence of Afghanistan from 2011- June of this current year. (cont below)

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JP Frachiseur

4:55 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012

So in less than a year I'll be wrapping up 6 years of military service that all started when I was 17, because unlike you and the rest of the majority in Gwinnett county I wanted to see what was outside of the confines of the church and actually do a little free thinking for myself rather than play into everythingnthatni see on FOX news. Thank you sweet baby jesus for making me a liberal, athiest, soldier that has the ability and mental fortitude to overcome the slums that are the standardized education system and that podunk narrow minded babble that is spewed through out those streets.

Marisant

9:15 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

It's always all about Obama. The rest of the country doesn't count.

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Sandy

9:17 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

I would prefer to ignore Obama on "The View" than experience his destruction to my country by kissing the tail ends of terrorist dictators from around the world.

Obama has no intention nor desire to lead this nation back to prosperity. His goals are very clear and may be found in his books and his daily speech.

God Bless the United States and God Bless our Military.

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Sharon

12:05 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Very well said Sandy! People should not vote for the party but the person. Unfortunately most Democrats are walking around with earplugs in and blindfolds on.

Paco Palacios

9:23 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

To his constituents being with Woopee and the girls is being Presidential. World affairs is not what is on their minds. He knows this.

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Marne M

9:46 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

We have a nation more concerned with NFL referees than with world affairs. Of course Obama will go on the View -- that's what people are watching, and it will win him votes. It will increase his exposure as the people's President.

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C.J.

10:19 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Re: "Should the President Have Met With World Leaders Rather Than Appear on 'The View?'"

This question is inane.

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John B

11:03 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

I think he should go on a world tour with Madonna who graciously touts him as a "black muslim."

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Jordan Canu

11:33 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Who would even ask a ridiculous question like that? Clearly, he should. However, that wasn't a choice that was made and this is an election year. The man has to run a campaign just like Mitt Romney.
I should expect this kind of closed minded, uneducated blabbering out of Dacula; yet, I'm still disappointed when I see it.

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El Jefe

11:33 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Instead of meeting world leaders, I think he should have just resigned.

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Rex Smithers

11:36 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

With all the turmoil in the Middle East and Obama so proud of his recent accomplishments in Egypt and Libya? Yea, he probably should put The View and Letterman on the back burner right now.

The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president.

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George Wilson

4:18 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

@Rex Smithers
It is an insult to every citizen to call the "electorate depraved and lacking in common sense and good judgement".Perhaps; you have been hanging around the plutocratic elitist too much. In general, the American people will always get it right. Don't ever forget that.

Jordan Canu

11:58 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

The danger to America is the tea party movement and those who believe every word they hear on Fox news actually having the option and the want to take to the streets to spread their bigoted agendas. I don't believe an intelligent Republican even exists in this day and age because an intelligent man could not look around at his like-minded peers and their bigoted, uneducated rhetoric and ridiculous agendas and not jump ship. I guess that's why the independent party is growing.
Good thing the electoral college is smarter than all of us this election so that you all don't elect an elitist with a crazy religion (involving magic underwear) into office.

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Drew Leven

12:49 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Jordan, your attitude is exactly why this country is in trouble. Stop drinking the Obama Kool-Aid and actually watch Fox News before you render such an uneducated comment. Feel free to check my spelling since you are obviously a member of superior group qualified to pass judgment on others.

Jordan Canu

1:04 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

I watch Fox News everyday. I listen to Sean Hannity on the radio at least once a week as well. It's important to be aware of the facts out there as well as understand the biases and outright lies being tossed at our citizens.

Superior? Depends on what you consider superior?
Education? Well then, yes. Statistically speaking, liberals are more educated than conservatives.

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George Wilson

3:59 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012

@Jordan Canu
These are both biased sources.Try reading the New York Times and watching MSNBC for balance and other view points.

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Sharon Swanepoel

4:13 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012

George is there such a thing as an unbiased source anymore?

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Chris

4:46 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012

George forgot to mention NBC. If they don't like the facts, they have an excellent editing staff.

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Ryan Smith

1:30 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Okay, folks. I deleted the last several posts because they were simply an exchange of insults. I've been a bit delete-happy on the site today, which is far from my usual tactic, and I'll step back now, but the rhetoric has been a bit personal today on the political threads.

So I'm going to say this again: Stop it. Disagree about your politics. Do it passionately. We love passionate discussions on these threads! But don't attack anyone personally. It is a violation of the terms of service, and it won't be tolerated.

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David Brown

2:53 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Amen Ryan. Folks need to understand that posting on Patch is not a right; it is a privilege. I am a Democrat. I was emailing yesterday with a prominent Gwinnett Black conservative. Despite the fact that this person and I have very different political perspectives, this person called me "a great American". If only the folks who post regularly on Patch could learn to respect their political adversaries in the same manner.

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Crystal Huskey

3:05 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Thanks Ryan. I was delete-happy on another thread. I think that as the election gets closer, the debates will get more heated, but we definitely need to keep a level of respect for one another.

Jordan Canu

1:34 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

I can understand how John B's comment that I'm an "oxygen thief" could be considered "a personal attack". I am, however, confused at how my last comment attacked anyone enough to warrant deletion whereas John's comment about MY attitude being what's wrong with America was not?

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John B

1:44 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Boo hoo Jordan......quintessential liberal playing the victim card. I'm not whining about my posts being deleted. Ryan did the right thing and he did it fairly. Man up!

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Watts

2:33 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Without seeing what was actually deleted, I can't say for sure, but what I have seen on Patch is that some editors will not only delete the offending post, but any following posts where the content is nothing more than a response to the post being removed. I think that is more for the sake of continuity for any reader coming to the thread, than it is to think that you had posted anything equally offensive. Just imagine if one person was on here posting a bunch of offensive, personal attacks, to which several people were responding and then only the personal attack posts were removed. That would leave a bunch of responses that would not make any sense to the average reader.

Not every editor handles it that way and I don't know for sure that was the case here. I am just saying that I have seen this before and recognize the logic behind doing it.

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Ryan Smith

3:27 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Jordan,
I didn't delete that post because it spoke of an attitude being what's wrong with America rather than "John Smith, of Boise, Idaho, is what's wrong with America." In other words, it attacked a mindset and not a person. It's a fuzzy distinction, but I'm hesitant to delete posts and feel like I have to draw the line somewhere. It's difficult to make a hard and fast rule about where. Also, some of the comments that were deleted weren't necessarily direct insults, but replied specifically enough to previous deleted posts that they would not have made sense out of context. They were deleted simply to keep the poster from looking like he was talking to himself.

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Ryan Smith

3:31 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Watts,
You hit the nail on the head. Some posts were deleted for continuity's sake. The thread would have been confusing otherwise. I've deleted my own posts in the past for the same reason -- they responded to a post that, upon reflection, violated the terms of service and needed to be deleted.

Watts

1:40 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

That is a an inane question and shows the lack of intelectual depth to those in the media and politics asking it. First of all, he did meet with world leaders and other world leaders met with each other, as well. Let's just state the obvious that there are some very busy schedules for all world leaders at a UN Convention and for many of them, meetings between themselves can be more important than meeting with the US president (although our egocentric culture blinds us to this reality). So unless there are some actual known examples where Obama rejected the invitation to meet with some specific world leader, why presume that the option existed at all? Is there some specific world leader that everybody thinks that he should have met with, that he has not already been meeting with, that knowingly was available to meet during the specific hour or two that he spent going on The View? Because unless somebody has some some very specific knowledge about which leader was available during that specific time, who's invitation to meet was declined by the president, then any other conjecture is just talking out of their butt.

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R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"

11:39 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

Watts
There was at least one leader's request that was bypassed and while I don't have access to the President's travel arrangements to post them, the View appearance was frivolous considering the options.

But it probably seemed like a better choice for the President so he could get back to Russia on that matter that will be easier to address in his second term... remember?

Jordan Canu

1:51 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

John, if you think he did the right thing, why are you still attacking me?

Thanks, Watts. Great to hear like-minded views from my hometown.

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John B

4:05 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

He did the right thing by deleting questionable posts by each of us. And where am I attacking you? You have very thin skin...or better stated, victim mentality.

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Jordan Canu

4:12 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

You're right, John. Calling me an oxygen thief was "questionable". The point of the attacking is that we're not discussing each other, we're discussing politics. Which means that you don't comment on my skin or my mentality. You comment on the politics. In an argument like this, you state facts that support your opinions. You don't attack the character of the person you're arguing with. That will get you no where.

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John B

4:32 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Jordan:
I don't want to play tennis with you my friend. But if you think that painting all Republicans with an idiot brush and accusing them of bigoted agendas is politics I must really be missing something. The problem as I see it is you want to talk trash and make accusations and when it gets stuck back up in your tailpipe you want to whine and cry like your a victim and accuse me of being unfair and off topic. Hard to attack someone's character if that character is lacking. Now you can go play in your liberal sandbox with the rest of the leftwingers in this thread. Just talking politics ya know...........

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Jordan Canu

4:40 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

I'll just sit here and wait for that to be deleted.

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John B

6:34 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

There is no personal attack Jordan...you just don't like what you're hearing and you're trying to influence the editors of the Patch. It's quite perplexing how someone can make a post like you did north of this one bashing Republicans but when you're challenged you want to cry foul. Good grief bro...do you own a pair of big boy pants?

George Wilson

2:32 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Much ado about nothing .A non issue stirred up by the right wingers Fox and talk radio. We have a very capable secretary of state to meet with these top leaders and it is a waste of time for the President to meet with them. He is on the phone with all of them in constant consultation anyway. The Republicans are so desperate they are grasping at every straw to criticize Obama. They are pathetic, given the fact that they got us into two wars and the neo cons would like to go for number three with Iran. Obama knows that millions of dollars will be thrown at him by the plutocrats and he needs to campaign. It is far more important to the nation that he be relected.

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David

2:48 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

It's a waste of time for the leader of the free world to meet with other world leaders? Turn the tanks around; they're pointed the wrong way!

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George Wilson

3:06 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

@David
Obama gave a great speech that they all heard that stated brilliantly our nation's policy and values. He has already met with most of the major leaders of the world several times (G20).He is on the phone with them constantly and again our secretary of state is meeting with them. So bottom-line nothing worthwhile could have been accomplished except for photos with these leaders. I'm sure that if he had a meeting with the president of Iran, the right-wing would be going berserk.

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R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"

11:53 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

A WASTE of time? Really? What golf is more important somehow...

Someone should have let President Kennedy know that a few years back.

Gee I thought the Sec of State was there to ASSIST the President in his administration's execution of HIS policy on OUR behalf...

In other cultures around the world, "assistants" are routinely discounted.
But now that I know the President doesn't need to waste time talking DIRECTLY face to face with leaders, lets ground Air-force One.

Charlotte Vandevander

2:57 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Love watching Fox and all the exaggeration, lies and rhetoric. MSNBC can be just as bad at times on the other side though they just tend to attack the right with facts. By the way why can't most RW politicians get their facts straight before they mouth off? After all, everyone knows those 47% who don't pay taxes are leeches, like our students who have very low incomes but are at least trying to become educated or the overseas military personnel who are God knows enjoying their time partying in scenic vacation spots like Afghanistan.

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George Wilson

3:10 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

@Charlotte Vandevander
MSNBC does deal more with facts than Fox.Fox can be comical and Jon Stewart has discovered this as well.

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Watts

3:30 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

"reality has a well known liberal bias"

Never gets old...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSE_saVX_2A

Besides, how many comedy speeches are deemed important enough to have their own wikipedia page?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Colbert_at_the_2006_White_House_Correspondents'_Association_Dinner

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Ryan Smith

4:05 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Okay, we had a new poster -- who obviously hasn't been paying attention to the thread -- make yet another personal attack. To that person, please feel free to post again, but be civil.

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RJ

4:16 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Meeting with World Leaders is his JOB. Going on The View is just to a publicity stunt to appeal to their viewers. He obviously need to review his job description.

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Jordan Canu

4:23 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

When Obama does it it's a publicity stunt. When Bush did it I'm sure it was called it's actual name. A campaign.

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George Wilson

6:19 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

@RJ
What is the Secretary of States job? A good executive does some delegating, especially when he has competent people like Hillary Clinton working with him.

Kenneth P. Wilson

5:15 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Guys, I am afraid it really doesn't matter. We are outnumbered buy takers.

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Watts

7:05 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

given that you have no posting history on here, nobody knows who the "guys" are or who the "takers" are. That sentence could be read differently, depending on a person's ideological perspective of who the takers are.

George Wilson

6:23 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

@Kenneth P. Wilson
Are you talking about corporations with their tax breaks and tax subsidies? Or are you talking about the military-industrial complex with its waste and obsolete weapons systems?

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Chris

12:13 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012

@Jerome Williams, I please ask that you refrain from harsh remarks toward my buddy George Wilson. I have only known George a few weeks and I've never agreed with his views. I have however come to respect my new friend for his civil manner and I have also learned that my own views are not always the gospel. By no means am I suggesting that we agree and hold hands. I have also learned that ad hominem is a fallacy in logic. Or something like that.

Thank you.

Barbara Caughman

10:43 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Please get a life! People complain about everything President does or does not do. If he goes to the restroom, they complain. If he does not go to the bathroom, they complain. He walks in a strainght line, they complain. If he does not walk in a straight line, they complain. If he complains about Libya, they complain. If he does not complain about Lybia, they complain. He wants everyone to have Health Care. They complain. If he didn 't want citizens to have Health Care, again they would complain. He can do NOTHING right. He is damn if he does and damn if he does not.

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R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"

12:00 am on Saturday, September 29, 2012

Actually it's more like this ...

WE are damned if he does and damned if he does not.

Jerome Williams

11:02 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Obama hasn't done anything right so there's lots of reasons to complain.

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Tammy Osier

11:13 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Barbara, He has a job to do. He works for US. There's nothing wrong with holding him accountable. I guarantee your boss and mine hold us accountable if we want to stay employed.
On another note: Even when he does meet with world leaders, he says stuff like this: "The future MUST NOT belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam." President Obama, addressing the United Nations
I wish he'd stop pandering to them. It only inflames them. Watch what happens when someone stands up to them. It's all they know. We musn't look weak in their eyes. It's what they prey on. An interview was done a few days ago with a former hostage when the iranians took our people hostage in 1979 (during Jimmy carters rein of weakness). The hostage said that they saw the look in the iranians eyes when Reagan spoke. He spoke with assurance and strength that he would defend his people no matter what the cost. Note what happened next. THEY LET THEM GO. He understood that our enemies don't think like us. When we talk about obama and what he believes, his past etc... it DOES matter. It matters how he makes decisions. It can be a matter of life and death and we have a right to hold him accountable.


Yesterday, the major news outlets poured through many of Obama's lines from his speech. This line was largely LEFT OUT.

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Tammy Osier

11:19 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

When Romney gets elected, the difference that you'll see between republicans and liberals, is that you'll hear us criticize him and hold his feet to the fire. I loved, but criticized Bush. He listened to it too, many times changing course.
The reason that liberals are so hard to reason with is that I get the idea that they worship the man. Even when presented with hard facts-everyone else must be wrong. Discuss this according to the needs of the country, not the personhood of the man, and we might see some real change.

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David Brown

8:36 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012

Tammy, I've had enough discussions with conservatives over the years to convince me that conservatives are difficult to reason with also. My Christian friends worshipped President Bush.

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Steve R.

8:45 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012

Very intelligent David. You never saw anyone faint while listening to Bush. Chris Matthews never had a thrill up his leg with Bush.

Tammy Osier

11:22 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Kenneth means that the course of socialism always ends up with the smae conclusion. When you have a leader that promised freebies by taking from those with money- the money eventually runs out because the receivers will outnumber the pocketbooks. THEN, and history proves it out, guess who they will come for next? You got it. The middle and lower class will work, give their money to the gov't and the gov't will decide who gets an operation, who gets this or that. History proves this. It all starts out with promises that sound great on paper, but can't work in the real world.

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John Cook

6:30 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

As much as we hear the words "Tax the rich" I would think that taxing the rich would result in trillions of dollars in revenue to the government. In actuality, it would result in 700 billion dollars in ten years--that's only 70 billion dollars per year to offset about $1.7 trillion of deficit spending each year, or 17 trillion dollars of deficit over the ten years of his budget.

Racer X

7:15 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012

I am voting for the American. Obama is a US citizen, perhaps, but he is no American.

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David

1:27 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012

A man died and was met by St. Peter. He noticed all these clocks and asked St. Peter what they were. St. Peter explained they were liars clocks. One for Mother Teresa had not moved as she had told no lies. One for Honest Abe had ticked twice as he had told two lies in his life. The man asked where Obama's clock was located. St. Peter explained that it was in Jesus' office. He was using it as a ceiling fan.

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Michael Robinson

1:51 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012

Does this sound clever if you agree with the sentiments it conveys?

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Watts

2:55 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012

This is the type fo dopey jokes that I always imagined conservatives sitting around telling; simply because even if you accept the premise, the joke still doesn't make sense. Just think about the difference between a clock and a fan. No mater how fast a hand on a clock could spin, it could never create a breeze like a fan. The hands of a clock are basically flush to the face of the clock and, in turn, would have no airspace from which to be sourcing and generating a breeze.

And I am not dissecting this joke just to point out that it isn't funny, as much as to show the complete and utter lack or analytical ability and/or critical thinking of most conservatives. They blindly accept and regurgitate anything that they hear on talk radio or that ends up being passed to them in a chain email. Where do you think that cognitive elitism comes from in this country? It isn't just because of the levels of education attained, but because nobody could hear something such as a joke like this or hear somebody repeat something so wildly incorrect that they heard on Limbaugh and not feel some level of intelectual superiority to that other person.

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David

3:05 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012

I've never listened to Limbaugh in my life. I hold two Masters degrees and a Ph.D. I am intellectually superior to you, if for no other reason than I laughed at a joke rather than trying to defend a stupid position. And I retired very wealthy with my money protected from taxes.

Lighten up. And put your hand back in your pocket. No hand-outs here. L=Loser/Liberal.

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Michael Robinson

3:10 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012

I know a lot of people who hold those degrees and better who'd tell you how little they can mean. I could throw around my independently meaningless qualifications and accomplishments and use them to belittle you, but then the education and accomplishments wouldn't mean much.

I'd just be an asshole with acronyms.

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David

3:14 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012

I resemble those remarks. Proudly!

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Watts

3:20 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012

@David

Just for fun, I went to your profile and randomly clicked on one of the recent threads that you have contributed to. You concluded three posts in a row by calling somebody a "pr**k." (censored by myself, not out of personal modesty, but as not to risk violating Patch rules which I am pretty sure that David may have in this other thread: http://dacula.patch.com/articles/the-boy-scouts-of-america-lose-funding#comments)

The likelihood that anything that you just said to describe your self is actually true, is absolutely zero.

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Michael Robinson

3:25 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012

I get suspicious when people cite high level qualifications to belittle others. It makes me think they're either lying or did the bare minimum of work to get through it.

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Michael Robinson

3:32 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012

A boat dock! David must be educated since he's using social signalling to demean people on the Internet.

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Ryan Smith

5:34 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012

Okay, I'll jump in here to point out that everyone here is obviously literate and educated, which means you're all capable of reading the terms of service. Don't make personal attacks, and don't use profanity. I've deleted a post that managed to do both in the same sentence. I've left the rest of the thread alone, but I've said this before. Stop it. Adults should be able to discuss differences of opinion without resorting to insults and vulgarity. This is a family site, and insults and vulgarity do not help you make your point.

Watts

3:28 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012

@David

Hold on...even better! An instant classic! Let's all hear how David's ideas on feminism and his thinly veiled beliefs that they should have remained limited to being housewives and how he slips into indicating some level of emasculation by women in his life...

"But feminist have done a wonderful job in the past. Women can now allow strangers to raise their kids, they can emasculate men,...shall I continue?"

http://dacula.patch.com/blog_posts/he-didnt-need-those-votes-anyway#comments

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Michael Robinson

3:30 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012

I think the third wave of feminism passed him by.

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Watts

3:31 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012

@David

I get a feeling that I could have a field day going through your posts. We certainly can't ignore paranoid David, from the same thread as his comments on feminism:

"The revolution is coming.It's closer than you think. Arm yourselves well. The enemy could be your neighbor."

You exemplify why people look down their noses at the extreme right wing of this nation. But I don't have time to really take this any further to keep delving into the depth of your ignorance.

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David

3:46 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012

Knock yourself out Watts. I have all day.

And I never suggested women should only be housewives. But I do believe they should raise their own children or wait until they can before having them.

Oh, and the revolution is coming. I'm a prognosticator!

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Watts

3:51 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012

Wow, "prognosticator." Was that O'Reilly's "Word of the Day" yesterday?

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Watts

3:54 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012

"But I do believe they should raise their own children or wait until they can before having them."

So no consideration that the father should have the same responsibility to raise them? Now I am starting to believe that you may at least be retired, because you sound like you must be 100 years old.

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David

4:18 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012

Sure. If Mom is working, Dad should raise the kids. Otherwise, Dad should be working to support his family. He can do his part after hours. Or split the duties if Mom works different hours.

Who is O'Reilly? I listen to 60's on 6 on XM radio. The TV on my boat gets limited reception. And I only watch ballgames at the sports bar.

I am retired. I'm 55.

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Watts

4:37 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012

Thanks for the $10!

I used to do a lot of research on interpersonal communication through the internet and so far you had played out the classic case of fantasizing an identity. I had copied the communication so far and sent it off to a friend, including my exaggerated bait of calling you 100 years old. The bet was that you would come back with a reasonably believable, rounded to a 5 or 0, early retirement age. Ages that end with 5 are pseudo benchmark ages, especially when discussing social issues like retirement.

But thanks for playing along and thanks for the lunch!

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Michael Robinson

4:48 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012

I wonder what thesis David will come up with for his imaginary Ph.D.

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David

5:22 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012

I retired at 54. Because I could. I'm now 55 and if I make it four more months, I'll be 56. Can't help when my birthday is. My Ph.D. is in International Marketing from Duke University. My undergrad degree and one Masters is in Chemical Engineering from Georgia Tech. Any other questions I can answer for your guys?

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Michael Robinson

5:29 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012

I suppose international marketing and chemical engineering isn't any more bizarre a combo than marketing and network administration. Still doesn't make you intellectually superior.

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Watts

7:42 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012

@David

I did a little more digging through on your posts and have to admit that there is too much consistency of your posting of experiences to say that this education was made up. But likewise, there is a consistency in a lot of ignorance on social issues, as well. Some really odd antiquated views on people (women, especially) that shows a rather primitive perspective from somebody who could attain the level of education that you appear to have. I am similarly advantaged in this society with degrees and accomplishments and you have to admit that even in the deep South, that this type of ideological thinking starts to thin out (almost like climbing above the tree line) as you go up the ladder of enlightenment.

So what do you think of your old Duke stomping ground swinging Blue:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444549204578022813911439502.html

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David

9:21 am on Friday, September 28, 2012

I don't live there any more. Actually, I never did as a state resident. I only went to school there for a few years. I can't influence their decisions on how to vote.

Michael k

5:07 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012

Forty days before a presidential election a candidate must be spending time making his case to undecided voters. If you read up on undecided voters you might notice that they are also sometimes referred to as low-information voters. If you think about it, it sort of makes sense.

The President has been in office for almost 4 years. Governor Romney has been running for president for almost 7 years, if you consider he was a prominent challenger to Senator McCain in the 2008 election.

If you are trying to sway undecided, low-information voters where will you make the most impact?

Speaking with Benjamin Netanyahu and Mohamed Morsi or speaking with Elisabeth Hasselbeck and Whoopi Goldberg?

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Watts

7:19 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

Hate to say it, but that is an excellent point.

And for fun, here is the SNL skit on low information voters:

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/undecided-voter/1418227

Michael k

7:29 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012

One more related point to the main topic, why didn't Candidate Romney meet with any world leaders?

His campaign has made a point to criticize the President's handling of foreign policy and it might have made him seem more Presidential. I think it might have been an effective contrast to how the President ignored the gathering of world leaders at the UN General Assembly.

Still, 40 or so days before the election it may be that the Romney campaign felt that undecided, low-information voters wouldn't pay attention and the time was better spent in Virginia/Ohio/Florida/Wisconsin.

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NJ4America

8:17 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012

Romney has met with world leaders. Romney has also been to Israel unlike Obama.

Mary Jane

9:14 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

Obama is an intellectual elitist in the same vein as Chamberlain was prior to World War II. Chamberlain helped bring on WWII and Obama is aiding in the onset of WWIII. When the Nuclear weapons start going off in the Middle East, it will definitely affect us.

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Mary Jane

9:20 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

President Obama believes that the average American is too stupid to understand international affiars. That is the reason that his Administration kept lying about the attack on our embassy in Libya. They knew within a day or so that its was a planned terrorist attack that was timed for the anniversary of 9-11. They kept lying to the American people and putting the blame on the trailer of that movie that insulted the Prophet Mohammed. I don't want a President who is a liar and I am sick of the lavish spending that he and his family have on their many vacations since he has been in office.

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Bob Christie

9:44 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

SAG is looking for a handful of talented, extemporaneous scritch--I mean script writers.. Could probably cut and paste most of this stuff and submit posthaste..LOL :), :(, et al & et al forever....

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