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Would You Like to See Changes to the Current Electoral Vote System?

Some Republicans want electoral votes to be allocated by congressional districts.

 

Republicans in Virginia and some other battleground states were seeking to change their Electoral College processes to counter recent victories by Democrats. There are some doubts, however, that these plans will get too far as some top Republicans are not in support of the idea.

According to the Washington Post and other media outlets, the plan would allocate all but two electoral votes by congressional districts won, and the last two by statewide popular vote. In almost all states, including Georgia, the electoral vote is now apportioned solely by the statewide popular vote.

Under this proposed plan, President Obama would have won just four of Virginia's 13 electoral votes in the past election, rather than all of them.

And according to the Huffington Post, had the 2012 election been apportioned in every state according to these new Republican plans, Mitt Romney would have led Obama by at least 11 electoral votes.

Other states pondering such changes are Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania. Like Virginia, their electoral votes went to Obama in 2012, although the states are controlled by Republicans at the state level.

If the legislation were to pass in Virginia, it would become the third state to adopt such a system, after Nebraska and Maine.

Is this something you would like to see adopted in more states or, like many feel about the Constitution, is it something that was set up for a reason and should be left alone?

Related Topics: electoral college and question of the day

Harnett Hawk Driver

8:46 am on Friday, February 8, 2013

How about one vote per state. If you win the state you get the one vote. Since they already think DC is a separate state leave it in place as the tie breaker.

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Patricia S

9:12 am on Friday, February 8, 2013

I am in favor of something that will never happen - a nationwide change to a popular vote in *every* state. Although I voted for the winning presidential candidate two elections in a row, I would accept a popular vote that doesn't always go my way.

Except for politicians, I think most Americans feel almost hopeless about going back to the drawing board and fixing all that is broken. No presidential candidate will ever be elected who does not have (1) personal wealth, and (2) the ability to attract more wealth. That is a shame, and the obscene amount spent on campaigning is money that could do so much good elsewhere.

Along with all of that, I want my President (or Senator, or Congressman) to spend his/her four years in office working for the good of the country....not planning the next election. I don't expect to see changes in my lifetime, but that's my dream list!

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American Patriot

4:36 pm on Friday, February 8, 2013

@Patricia I agree with your entire post except for the popularly elected president part. I hate to say it but far to many Americans are not smart enough to elect a politician. Frankly I would leave the current system for the president and amend the 17th amendment so senators are elected by their state legislators. I would like to see the states become stronger. I believe this would restore balance to our system.

George Wilson

12:12 pm on Friday, February 8, 2013

This change would be unfair because most congressional district are gerrymandered and would favor Republicans. To make this change the drawing of districts both at the state and federal level must be done by an independent body and not by the politicians. Today many Georgians are under the illusion that they pick their representatives .They really don't, most politicians pick them through gerrymandering. Today some states are have in place a nonpartisan board to make this decision, two that come to mind are Iowa and California. Gerrymandering is unfair and undemocratic and has led to a congress that is so divided that we can't get anything done.

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Mr. B

9:45 am on Saturday, February 9, 2013

George, Did you have a problem with this during the 135 years the Democrats controlled the state house and drew the congressional districts? Or are you just pissed that the people of Georgia finally woke up and threw them out on their butts?

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Chris P

10:32 am on Saturday, February 9, 2013

George I just moved here from Massachusetts and of course the party in power (Democrat) continues to justify the gerrymandered congressional districts as well. This has led to a one party rule (Democrat) and vast corruption resulting in the last three speakers (Democrat) of the Massachusetts of Representatives being indicted and convicted of corruption. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely!

The entire concept of gerrymandering was conceived in Massachusetts and the Democrats have indeed (unfortunately for most Americans) elevated this to an art form!

Kathleen Allen

8:49 am on Saturday, February 9, 2013

What George said! I grew up in a district in California that had UC Santa Cruz, the Fort Ord Army Base and Carmel and many small farming communities in between - whose consitutents had VERY diverse views, which our then-US Representative, Leon Panetta, took into consideration when voting as our Congressman. He represented us all, unlike I see with many Congressmen in Georgia nowadays.

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George Wilson

12:28 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

@Kathleen Allen
Nationally because of gerrymandering,only about thirty five congressionals districts are really in play.

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R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"

6:46 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

Ah the fan of former Rep. Mr Panetta...

It surely does take a village.

We may have enjoyed your rather lengthy statement / question at the recent Townhall held at GJAC.

You may not care for all the “feedback” received from you current Representative, but you fall into the 7th District at all (Now or prior to the redistricting) you can’t make a serious claim of lack of communication or access to Rep Woodall.

Rep Broun, well that office may be the other side of the coin.

The good LORD knows I don’t care for all of what I have heard, but I have heard more from Rep. Woodall in every media format than just about any other official, on any level in the governance relating to GA matters.

His office responds to all comers and in most cases is exceeded only by the old AMWAY reps for the presentence factor…

"B"

9:36 am on Saturday, February 9, 2013

I am open to all the different view except George Wilson's. He's such a flaming liberal I've quit for the most part in even reading any of the Patch Comment section in order to avoid his flaming liberal comments.

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George Wilson

12:29 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

"B"
An open mind is a wonderful thing!

Tammy Osier

10:33 am on Saturday, February 9, 2013

Mr. B. said:
"George, Did you have a problem with this during the 135 years the Democrats controlled the state house and drew the congressional districts?"
Now, now, Mr. B., why would you ask such a dumb question? It's only wrong if it might make things fair to the party that he opposes. :) We need to overhaul a LOT of stuff in our political system for sure, but so that NO ONE - neither side - is able to cheat or get favors.

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Mr. B

2:41 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

Yep, I agree. Washington is badly broken. Actually, a great justification for the neutron bomb...keep all those lovely landmarks, just get rid of the people.

Tammy Osier

10:35 am on Saturday, February 9, 2013

Chris P. You are so right. Look at what happened in Philadelphia. It's so corrupt there that nobody even challenged it because they knew that the control there was almost mafia-like, and to challenge it would be futile.

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Chris P

10:36 am on Saturday, February 9, 2013

I have always felt that assigning electoral votes based on whoever received more votes in a congressional district to be more representative of the will of the people. Instead of candidates trying to appeal to certain states it would force them to focus on the entire country. It is an idea well worth discussing.

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George Wilson

12:44 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

@ Chris P
I suspect that the Republicans and the plutocrats have come to the realization that they cannot win elections except by:
1. Suppressing the vote among certain groups (by making it difficult to register to vote and creating long lines at the polling places in certain areas)
2. My changing our laws to allow the electoral vote to be decided by gerrymandered and undemocratic congressional districts.
3. To prevent the overturning of the" Citizens United" decision that allows the plutocrats and corporation to unlimited amounts of money to candidates in secret.
The closer you get to a 50-50 split between the parties within a district the more middle of the road moderation you get. The bottom line is that in Georgia this is a one party state and therefore in my view our elected government in Georgia has no legitimacy and is undemocratic and cannot claim to speak for the people.

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R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"

7:00 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

The true definition of an “open mind” and a fine shining example of one in action.

One would have to believe that showing an ID for voting is more harmful than having to show one to buy alcohol or cigarettes…

Take Fulton County GA for example, long lines, lost ballots - are they super double secret evil REPUBLICANS?

David Brown

10:54 am on Saturday, February 9, 2013

Where was this discussion following the 2000 Presidential election, when George W. Bush was elected as our President?

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Chris P

10:58 am on Saturday, February 9, 2013

David there was quite a discussion after the 2000 Presidential election. To say otherwise demonstrates an appalling level of ignorance!

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David Brown

1:16 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

Chris, you could have omitted your second sentence. Your first sentence was sufficient. As Crystal Huskey reminded us last week, let's debate but let's do it respectfully.

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R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"

6:55 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

That was very respectful...
AH the hanging Chads - such fun had by all...

Tammy Osier

12:04 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

Chris is right - I actually remember this being up up for discussion BIG TIME. Not sure where you were David, but I remember this being front page news for a long time. Chris, I thik it's time for this to be discussed. You are correct, candidates now focus only on certain states and their urband areas (both candidates did it) to the exclusion of the little people. I feel that every voice is not being heard. It's certainly time to at least get a discussion started.

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George Wilson

12:19 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

@All
"To make this change the drawing of districts both at the state and federal level must be done by an independent body and not by the politicians."
If you would pause to read my comment ,I believe I said I'm against both parties gerrymandering districts.It is not fair,it is not undemocratic and it leads to the mess we are in now.

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Mr. B

2:08 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

There is and never will be such a thing as an independent body. Too much money influence and too many people with an expectation of receiving something for nothing. My assumption is you think you or your buddies could run that body and we know how UN-independent (pun intended) you are.

Chris P

1:33 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

@David my entire comment was factual especially the second sentence. When you make a comment such as yours, be prepared to be called out out on it.

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David Brown

3:46 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

Chris, I don't have a problem with being factually corrected when I state an opinion. But, I do have a problem with being insulted when I state an opinion. I did not insult or attempt to belittle you for stating your opinion. You're an intelligent man, so please show me the same respect that I showed you. Again, let's learn how to disagree agreeably.

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Chris P

3:57 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

@David the definition of ignorance is a lack of knowledge. Your comment demonstrated an appalling lack of knowledge or an appalling level of ignorance, take your pick. That statement is factual. There was no insult involved I just called your comment for what it was. My suggestion to you sir is to educate yourself before making an outrageous statement like that.

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David Brown

4:11 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

Chris, I took your second sentence as an insult. Nearly all reasonable folks would take being called "ignorant" as an insult. That's why I showed more respect to you than you're showing me. Try calling your wife "ignorant" and see what happens.:) God bless you.

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George Wilson

5:10 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

@Mr B
The state of IOWA has such a body and it seems to be working just fine.

Chris P

1:38 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

@ George Wilson,

Points one and two are totally false and you know it.
Point three if you want to prohibit contributions from corporations fine as long as unions are prohibited from contributing as well.

Given that the good people of Georgia voted to have majority republican representation who are you to deny the will of the people? If more people educated themselves there would be dramatic shift away from the Democrat party and probably more towards Libertarian.

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George Wilson

5:22 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

@Chris P
"During the November 2012 election, Black and Hispanic voters waited nearly twice as long to vote as whites, according to a Massachusetts Institute of Technology analysis. New York Times graphs summarizing the analysis show that white voters waited an average of 12.7 minutes, while Black and Hispanic voters waited an average of 20.2 minutes:

Long lines in several swing states were a major concern during this election, and the longest lines were in Florida, where another recent study estimated that at least 201,000 people may have been deterred from voting by lines that were hours long. This was in no small part due to Gov. Rick Scott’s (R) elimination of 6 early voting days in the state and other voter suppression initiatives that several top Republicans later admitted were intended to keep Democrats from the polls. Both the MIT analysis and a New York Times/CBS poll showed that Democrats had longer average wait times than Republicans. In the wake of the election, 14 states are considering proposals to expand early voting, including Florida, where Gov. Scott is now publicly supporting a restoration of the early voting days he cut."You are entitled to your opinion but the facts are on my side

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Mr. B

5:54 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

Here are the facts George. The Supreme Court didm't allow the cutting of the early voting days in FL. They stood as always. Try researching things before repeating MSNBC and Huffington Post's lies.

Why would it take anyone longer to vote than the next person. If you show up at the polls with proper identification, are registered to vote, and prepared, then the voting machine is open to the next in line. No discrimination on how you vote, the poll workers don't know or care. If anyone stands in line longer than the person in front of or behind them, its their own fault.

Tammy Osier

1:42 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

yeah Chris - Unions are big political contributers. Wonder why it is that Georgia,being represented by republicans (as by the will of the people) is somehow in error, but not the states that have heavily democratic leanings? What applies to the goose has to apply to the gander.

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JK

2:15 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

We can watch, in real time, as our troops do battle on the other side of the earth, and yet we have to allow someone else cast our vote for the man who sends them there. I have long been against the electoral college. 'We the People' have the power to case votes. Maybe this would have greater impact if more then 10 percent of the voters actually voted!
But, we need to end the gerrymandering, the pandering, lying and other atrocities in the name of politics first, starting with the superpacs. When I was young, and it was not THAT long ago, anyone could still hope to be president. the superpac had ended that. Now you need money,(LOTS OF IT), power and influence just to step into the starting blocks, much less run and win the race!

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Michael k

2:34 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

Let's break down some of the opinions posted here as it pertains to gerrymandering:

"They started it"

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George Wilson

5:25 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

@Michael K
Whoever does it or started it the point is that it must end.

Tammy Osier

2:38 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

American Patriot said: "@Patricia I agree with your entire post except for the popularly elected president part. I hate to say it but far to many Americans are not smart enough to elect a politician. Frankly I would leave the current system for the president and amend the 17th amendment so senators are elected by their state legislators. I would like to see the states become stronger. I believe this would restore balance to our system."
Oh my how right you are!!! That's what I liked about Romney - he was about returning rights to states. Too bad the presidency has become a popularity contest where the best looking man with the ability to be cool wins. Look at what that candidate has done to us yet they follow blindly. We have a government where the rich and powerful in politics can get off scopt free no matter what they do (think benghazi). Campaigning is more important than our people in trouble around the world. I heard the hearings and it was disgraceful. But what's disgraceful seems to be in vogue these days.
I would also add term limits for Congress to complete your thought. ANd JK is right too. Money and political power (who can do what yfor who) is what it's about now. Sad day for our country.

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Tammy Osier

5:03 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

Here we go again - Love is pattient, love is kind, love does not keep a record of wrongs...
Can we just stay on topic for once? And be honest, it does seem a little strange that someone would not remember the big hullabaloo that took place in 2000 over this very thing. Jut say, "my bad, I must have forgotten". It's ok to be wrong now and then. It just sounds like a covenient jab at President George Bush that backfired. leave it alone and let's move on.

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David Brown

6:02 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

Tammy, both Stevie Wonder and Andrea Bocelli could see your remarks were directed at me.:) Okay, my bad. I must have forgotten.:)

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R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"

6:58 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

They both probably saw the Hanging Chads in their sleep too...

Tammy Osier

5:04 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

MK- lol That's about the truth. It really is both sides of the issue.

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Tammy Osier

6:06 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

Mr. B said;
"Why would it take anyone longer to vote than the next person. If you show up at the polls with proper identification, are registered to vote, and prepared, then the voting machine is open to the next in line. No discrimination on how you vote, the poll workers don't know or care. If anyone stands in line longer than the person in front of or behind them, its their own fault."
I wondered the same thing. I don't think lines discriminate? The only way you'll lose your place in line is by stepping outside for too many cigarette breaks. lol
Seems as many on here missed that class on researching information. lol

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Tammy Osier

6:08 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

They were David. I'm honest. Just reminding you not to take all of this too seriously. No need for high blood pressure moments. I wish I had learned earlier in life how to choose my battles, but I did eventually learn (now that I'm old darn it!) You want to live life to its fullest. :)

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David Brown

8:07 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

Tammy, this one of your best replies.:) I can't believe I said that.:)

Chris P

6:19 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

David if you feel insulted that's your problem not mine. Too bad you didn't take Tammy's advice earlier.

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David Brown

8:05 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

Chris, this time you have omitted the first sentence. I will still respect you, even though you haven't shown me much respect. God bless you.

Chris P

9:31 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

David, can you admit your comment was wrong? I was not disrespectful to you, I only stated the obvious. As I just stated if you feel insulted, thats your problem not mine.
I suggest you get yourself a good nights rest and try to think before you post a comment.

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David Brown

7:14 am on Sunday, February 10, 2013

Chris, this is my final comment on this matter. This back and forth betwen you and me has gone on long enough. I did admit to Tammy that my comment was incorrect. I suggest you read Patch's "Our Terms of Use" policy, particularly the "Acceptable Use" section. Crystal Huskey would probably agree with me that your replies to me are in violation of the policy. God bless you and enjoy the rest of your weekend.

Chris P

1:04 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013

David,
If you felt my comment was inappropriate you certainly had the opportunity to flag it as such. Regarding the "Terms of use" and "Acceptable Use", where does it say that an accurate statement is not acceptable? There was no profanity or name calling used at any time.

Perhaps you have too thin of a skin to be commenting on political subjects.
End of conversation.

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Tammy Osier

1:17 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013

Chris I think that's a great idea. I have been having a pleasant and productive conversation on two other posts and the side conversation people have been completely ignored. That's what I do. I have been simply flagging people. Otherwise, the conversation becomes about individual people drawing attention to themsleves. I think we need to stop reewarding that. I've enjoyed the freedom of actually keeping the conversation as close to topic as possible. It's been nice for a change. I wish moderators would come on more often. That would let people know to mind their p's and q's and keep it to a minimum at least.

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Chris P

1:25 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013

Tammy you are a very wise person!!!

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Tammy Osier

1:42 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013

Chris, if I had a thin skin, I'd have to burn my computer. lol

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