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Vulgar Breastfeeding

I just saw in the news this morning an article that Forest Park has put restrictions on public breastfeeding.  Why are they doing this?  In order to prevent public nudity.  That's right - public nudity. But it's only public nudity when it's feeding a child older than two.

I'll be the first to say that I never enjoyed breastfeeding.  My experiences weren't the happy stories of babies cooing with Mommy milk bubbles.  Mine were long, painful, drawn out experiences most at the pump.  However, I still kept on producing because I wholeheartedly believe that breast is best.  I'm not the only person that feels that way; and yet, breastfeeding still remains a hot button.

When people are asked how they feel about it, I've seen remarks like, "Cover up" or "Feed the baby in the bathroom."  Why, why, why?  Have people that say the bathroom remark actually smelled public restrooms?  I'm not going to say that they're unclean; but let's face it - the air quality is less than fresh.  And people think that it's okay for a baby to eat in that when I'm betting they wouldn't dare. 

And then there's the cover up group.  What is really the deal here?  Are they self-conscious?  Is it that they don't want their significant others seeing another woman's breast?  Or is it that they think their children will somehow become traumatized by seeing one?  At the core, it's an issue to me that the breast has become sexualized to the point that laws would need to be passed putting limitations on breastfeeding.  The law states it's nudity when a woman is breastfeeding a child older than two.  I can't help but wonder if women are going to have to carry around a birth certificate to prove their child's age.  Will there be a breastfeeding license issued?  I know it sounds ridiculous, but so is the entire issue at hand. 

City manager, John Parker stated, “[The ordinance] sets up a process whereby we can try to control nudity throughout the entire city.  My best advice is that if you know someone in Forest Park that is breastfeeding at any age, give them the gift Mr. Parker will love -- "nudity" he can't control.

Amberr Meadows

6:40 pm on Monday, May 23, 2011

If someone is breastfeeding a child older than two (and with teeth and supposed to be on solid food), there's something wrong there. Anytime before two, women should be left alone to breastfeed their children in peace. Anytime after, they should be asked to take counseling.

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Sabrina

7:57 pm on Monday, May 23, 2011

Seriously? So should we be carding toddlers now..lol- who are we to decide what age is appropriate to stop..and why do you think it would imply a need for counseling,Better yet why do you feel ? I truly am interested in your response??
Some children get teeth as early as 3-4 months...I know all 4 of my boys did- and most nursed well beyond 2 years- teeth and all. We began solids when they were ready... and weaned when they were ready as well. I dont typically nurse over two outside of the home...but only because at that point they were busy toddlers and only nursed at nap and bedtime..or when needed for comfort. My children are now 6 months- 13 years old, They are healthy happy well adjusted boys, who are both respectful of woman and their bodies , but also respectful of the role breastfeeding has played in their lives and the lives of other children and all intend to support breastfeeding in their future families- Breast is best...My kids arent cows...hman milk for human babies..I feel sad for those who have body issues and would think that nursing a child over 2 requires counseling

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claire

8:00 pm on Monday, May 23, 2011

The average age of weaning in the WORLD, is between 6-7 years of age. In the States, where people have sexualized breasts (which lets not forget, are FOR feeding) ,most people don't make it past 6 months of age. The WHO recommends at LEAST 2 years of nursing. I myself, nursed my first son through a pregnancy, tandem nursed himself & his brother & my oldest weaned at 3.6 years of age with his brother then weaning himself at 2.5
No, it isn't for everyone, but for those who it is for, you will find smart, healthy, emotionally secure children. Will you find that with formula feeding children? Yes, however the bond & proven medical benefits of breastfeeding for not only the child but the mother are astronomical & can'tbe found in a man made powder.
In my opinion, that the state of GA is clearly uncomfortable with anything that makes old, white men running the state uncomfortable, however I ask, how many of these men visit strip clubs? The answer needs not be spoken, as it's likely obvious to most of us.
As Amberr, above, has clearly shown, people are just not comfortable with it. Why? Because they would prefer to see breasts bouncing topless at a bar? Perhaps, or perhaps people are just so insecure in their own choices & decisions they feel the need to force it upon others.
If more people breastfeed, both in general AND in public, we can shake this view, but it wont be easy, as many women prefer to show their tatas to attract men, not to nourish their deserving children.

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Emily

8:30 pm on Monday, May 23, 2011

Well someone better alert the World Health Organization that breast milk shouldn't be fed til 4 because it turns to abuse at 2. I did not know nursing had a magic number where it was not only worthless but vulgar. So does that include special needs kids who can't take anything else easily because of swallow issues? Does it include kids with Downs who undergo relentless surgeries? Does it include a child born with AIDS who needs the antibodies in breastmilk? What about kids with cancer? Don't they need all that magic stuff in breastmilk? No? Really? Then why do many cancer patients take breastmilk as part of their immune system therapies? If someone has a problem with SEEING someone nurse then its THEIR problem. Your ignorance does not equate to my problem. And no, I didn't nurse til 2 or past it, I stopped at 20months for medical reasons on my part. I still feel selfish for that decision. i will forever fully support any woman who chooses to let her child decide they are done with the breast, after all who knows better than the child? Certainly no one passing this ridiculous law

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Beth R

8:51 pm on Monday, May 23, 2011

Amberr--
There is no correlation between the eruption of teeth and a child's ability to consume table food. As you know, some children are born with teeth. I wonder if teeth are the only basis for your assumption that children over the age of two should not be given breastmilk. I'm honestly curious as to why you feel so strongly about this when left to their own devices, the average child self weans NO EARLIER than 2.5ish. You, of course, realize that two year olds haven't had their minds perverted when it comes to breasts. They do what comes naturally to them, they do what is normal, they do what is right. They nurse.
To suggest that women that nurse their children beyond two need psychological help demonstrates nothing but ignorance about normal infant/child nutrition. In fact, I would suggest that it is the people that are so pervie and sexed up that they see the act of nursing a child as sexual in anyway need some serious psychological help.
I'm also wondering, Amberr, do parents that feed dairy to children with teeth need counseling? Cow's milk, cheese, ice cream, yogurt? Or is it just human dairy being fed to human children what you object to?

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Amberr Meadows

8:56 pm on Monday, May 23, 2011

Don't misunderstand; I have no problems with breastfeeding mothers, and I don't have the desire to see strippers doing what they do at a strip club. It just seems impractical to breastfeed after age two, and I have difficulty wrapping my mind around women breastfeeding up to ages 6 and 7. Is that a woman's right? Absolutely. Do I agree with it? Definitely not at school age. My daughter starts kindergarten in August, and I couldn't imagine her asking me for breast milk. The pumping, engorged breasts and sore nipples for five straight years also serves as an effective deterrent. This is what I meant in saying a woman would need counseling; not really because I think they are mentally ill. People are so sensitive and delicate about every little issue. It's just absurd.

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Amberr Meadows

9:08 pm on Monday, May 23, 2011

The most important thing that should be mentioned is that laws against public breastfeeding are ridiculous and should be dismissed. I do agree that "tatas" are more fitting for feeding than for sexual purposes. Hopefully that clears up what I'm sure was perceived as a flippant response initially.

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Beth R

9:15 pm on Monday, May 23, 2011

With all due respect, Amber, that is not how your post reads and I believe that you are backtracking. And that's okay because I think you've actually learned something and given this some real thought rather than your initial knee jerk reaction.
I can't speak for anyone else but I am sensitive to issue like this because it is not a LITTLE issue. It is a huge issue. This law affects my natural right to nourish my baby--to parent my child in the way that I know is appropriate. Good grief, it is legal to physically assault (spank) your child but not legal to nurse a child over two in public? I am sensitive because I am constantly dealing with ignorance about breastfeeding--insinuations that I am feeding my child for some sick sexual pleasure. I am sensitive about it. Yeah.

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Amie Ray Davis

9:23 pm on Monday, May 23, 2011

I just finished the book "Room" which also deals with the topic of breastfeeding until later. It caused a lot of problems with people in my class because it's just unheard of to nurse for that long. The reality is that we're not the norm in this country. People all over the world breastfeed well past two and for good reason. We, as a society, just need to quit thinking that we set the bar and realize that there is a big ol' world out there that does things differently.

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Amberr Meadows

9:26 pm on Monday, May 23, 2011

Beth, I'd say there is some truth to that. The different responses here are thought-provoking, and it does show that the breastfeeding issue is far more complicated than I realized.

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Beth R

9:39 pm on Monday, May 23, 2011

Thanks for your honesty Amberr--and for having an open mind :)

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Chelle

10:33 pm on Monday, May 23, 2011

Any mom that has nursed a child for 2+ years understands that it is a continuum of care for the child. Whether it be nutritional need, emotional need or the need for momma's touch, society should not be able to outlaw the bond between mother and child in public.
I personally have had a very poor eater as a toddler, and knowing that his nutritional requirements could be met through nursing, I was happy to breastfeed whenever and where ever he desired. I had another that never took a pacifier, but if he was upset nursing calmed him.
I think if society would just de-sexualize the breast and let nature's nurture reign, the world could be a much happier place!

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