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A new Georgia license plate honoring the Sons of Confederate Veterans is generating controversy. Credit: Georgia Department of Motor Vehicles
A new Georgia license plate honoring the Sons of Confederate Veterans is generating controversy. Credit: Georgia Department of Motor Vehicles
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G Grainger February 20, 2014 at 08:52 AM
This is no more than honoring our heritage. There were plenty of Blacks that fought for the South. The Civil War was fought for many other reasons besides slavery. Which most of the people were against anyway.
erie February 20, 2014 at 09:58 AM
I agree with you. Some slaves would say things to the master like. Whats wrong master. Wee's head is hurting today sir. Look at blk women loving white men today and blk guys race mixing. Myself I don't know a white person by there first or last name. Black power! As long as white people can claim it was wonderful having black slaves hanging black men for looking at white women driving around ga with license honoring there heritage. I personaly nev er want to or care to shake one hand or know there name. BLACK POWER!
Camille Mahdi February 20, 2014 at 09:59 AM
I don't get offended or upset at the sight of the confederate flag...I do however get offended at the word "blacks". For whatever reason it just gets under my skin. We are people, black PEOPLE. Yes, there were black people who fought for the confederacy...some were forced and some were made false promises of rewards if they did so. For that matter, some of those same false promises of rewards were made by the Union to black soldiers as well. Of course not everyone southerner was fighting for slavery, that is a given. Robert E. Lee said from the start that he did not believe in the secession. The only reason he was fighting on behalf of the Confederacy was because he could not bare to raise his sword against his home State of Virginia. On March 21, 1861, Alexander Stephens, Vice President of the Confederacy said: "Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us. Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well, that this truth was not generally admitted, even within their day. The errors of the past generation still clung to many as late as twenty years ago. Those at the North, who still cling to these errors, with a zeal above knowledge, we justly denominate fanatics. All fanaticism springs from an aberration of the mind from a defect in reasoning. It is a species of insanity. One of the most striking characteristics of insanity, in many instances, is forming correct conclusions from fancied or erroneous premises; so with the anti-slavery fanatics. Their conclusions are right if their premises were. They assume that the negro is equal, and hence conclude that he is entitled to equal privileges and rights with the white man. If their premises were correct, their conclusions would be logical and just but their premise being wrong, their whole argument fails. I recollect once of having heard a gentleman from one of the northern States, of great power and ability, announce in the House of Representatives, with imposing effect, that we of the South would be compelled, ultimately, to yield upon this subject of slavery, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics, as it was in physics or mechanics. That the principle would ultimately prevail. That we, in maintaining slavery as it exists with us, were warring against a principle, a principle founded in nature, the principle of the equality of men. The reply I made to him was, that upon his own grounds, we should, ultimately, succeed, and that he and his associates, in this crusade against our institutions, would ultimately fail. The truth announced, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics as it was in physics and mechanics, I admitted; but told him that it was he, and those acting with him, who were warring against a principle. They were attempting to make things equal which the Creator had made unequal." Yes, it is a part of your history. If you're going to own it....own it all....
Greengirl February 20, 2014 at 10:13 AM
G Grainger......that's some serious revisionism your spouting. Might I suggest a history book. Good grief!
Camille Mahdi February 20, 2014 at 10:17 AM
Quotes from Robert E. Lee regarding he did not believe in the war and initially intended to fight for the Union and the reason why he ultimately fought for the Confederacy.------ "I can anticipate no greater calamity for the country than the dissolution of the Union. It would be an accumulation of all the evils we complain of, and I am willing to sacrifice everything but honor for its preservation." Col. Robert E. Lee, U.S.A. in a letter to his son Custis, January 23, 1861 ------ "With all my devotion to the Union, and the feeling of loyalty and duty of an American citizen, I have not been able to make up my mind to raise my hand against my relative, my children, my home. I have, therefore, resigned my commission in the Army..." Robert E. Lee to his sister, Anne Marshall April 20, 1861 The Wartime Papers of R. E. Lee (New York: Bramhall House, 1961), pages 9-10.
Camille Mahdi February 20, 2014 at 10:24 AM
A letter from Robert E. Lee, after the war, to Mrs. Jefferson Davis...still saying that he believed that the secession was wrong..."My Dear Mrs. Davis: Your letter of the 12th inst. reached Lexington during my absence at Washington. I have never seen Mr. Colfax's speech, and am, therefore, ignorant of the statements it contained. Had it, however, come under my notice, I doubt whether I should have thought it proper to reply. I have thought, from the time of the cessation of hostilities, that silence and patience on the part of the South was the true course; and I think so still. Controversy of all kinds will, in my opinion, only serve to continue excitement and passion, and will prevent the public mind from the acknowledgment and acceptance of the truth. These considerations have kept me from replying to accusations made against myself, and induced me to recommend the same to others. As regards the treatment of the Andersonville prisoners, to which you allude, I know nothing and can say othing of my own knowledge. I never had anything to do with any prisoners, except to send those taken on the fields, where I was engaged, to the Provost Marshal General at Richmond. I have felt most keenly the sufferings and imprisonment of your husband, and have earnestly consulted with friends as to any possible mode of affording him relief and consolation. He enjoys the sympathy and respect of all good men; and if, as you state, his trial is now near, the exhibition of the whole truth in his case will, I trust, prove his defense and justification. With sincere prayers for his health and speedy restoration to liberty, and earnest supplications to God that He may take you and yours under His guidance and protection, I am, with great respect, Your obedient servant, R. E. LEE." Robert E. Lee, Letter to the wife of Jefferson Davis, February 23, 1866. "Recollections And Letters Of General Robert E. Lee", Captain Robert E. Lee
Maurice Walker February 20, 2014 at 10:31 AM
Personally, I remember how the confederate flag was used, and to African-Americans, it's the swastika. I mean, imagine if you were Jewish and you saw the swastika on license plates? That's how it was because it represents an atrocity that should have never occurred- where millions died and people had to make moral decisions based upon economic means that instituted a system when an entire race of people were enslaved. Now even though there were many culprits, including Africans themselves; the so-called 'Right' to enslave those people became the crux of a larger argument of States Rights vs. Federal power. And the South galvanized under those so-called 'Rights'- especially after Lincoln became President. So slavery the right to continue to enslave human beings was the reason why the Confederate States of America was formed and anything that represents that effort is tantamount to the advocation of slavery of African-Americans- just like wearing a Nazi symbol would be an advocation of the extermination of the Jews.
Hoo Dat February 20, 2014 at 10:44 AM
Blacks are going to cry about every little thing..they have no idea of their own heritage, they just scream racism at anything they think will get them attention...how about the fact that you people are killing each other in record numbers..you support nothing positive...you glorify your crime rates in music,tv, etc...and on top of that you're PROUD of it!! And then you want to say white people are all against you and we just hold you back?? Get a clue..our a job maybe..our even just finish school without getting pregnant or arrested!! Oh, but that's the white man's fault you carry that pistol and sell crack, right?? I hate you animals, you're a burden on the advancement of our great nation.
Camille Mahdi February 20, 2014 at 10:58 AM
Wow...okay...It takes a lot for me to label someone in current day as racist, but your statement...yeah. I am not one of those people who think just because someone doesn't like Obama they are racist and all of that crazy stuff, because I don't believe that it general. I never even intimated that people who chose to purchase the flag were racist. I simply stated facts about the founding of the confederacy. Yet, all black people were just lumped into a single rant. For the record, I am the oldest of six children (yes we have the same mother and father) and we are ALL college educated. We paid for our educations with the help of our parents, jobs and student loans which we have all paid back or are paying back. Three of my siblings are teachers, one works in financing, one is an attorney and I work in the legal field as well. My father is number 7 of 8 children who grew up in a small segregated town, yet they ALL went to college and all had professional careers. Nonetheless, thank you for the assessment of my people....
Greengirl February 20, 2014 at 11:29 AM
Eddie, thanks for proving the point about the true sentiments behind those that fly this hateful flag.
erie February 20, 2014 at 11:46 AM
This topic proves my point. This is just why I would never live next door to a white person or call one a friend.smiling I can picture in my mind. A black man being friends with a white person and the white man or woman get them one of these new license.Too got dam funny! Black power!
Camille Mahdi February 20, 2014 at 11:58 AM
Okay, this is getting crazy and just needs to stop. I have always had white friends and white relatives whom I love and adore. It is WRONG to assume that all (or most) white people are racist or to assume that all (or most) black people are illiterate thugs.
Greengirl February 20, 2014 at 01:36 PM
Erie....seems you and Eddie are two peas from a different colored, but still bigoted and reprehensible pod. Camille, unfortunately, there are ignorant people in every color of the rainbow, just like there are wonderful and kind people in every color too. Don't let the crazies on this thread get to you.
G Grainger February 20, 2014 at 02:00 PM
Greengirl.... I have read my history very well. May I suggest you read up on great American Black heros and find out for yourself. My family fought during the Civil War and their letters are heart-rending. The North wanted to win over the South because we didn't need anything the North produced. The North tried burning out the South and when that didn't even work they decided to abolish slavery. Which by the way none of my family has ever been for anyway. They were just poor dirt farmers. The North didn't care one way or another about slavery as they had their own. But you never hear about this. MLKJr got it right when he said don't judge a man by his color but by his character. And I'm telling you that Black or White, their are some pretty racist remarks here.
iamnrs February 20, 2014 at 02:00 PM
Forget about the Confederate flag or true motivation of the Civil War for a minute. Would any of you say something you KNOW would be hurtful to a friend or loved one? For most people, the answer would be no. It doesn't matter whether you understand the hurt, agree or think that other person is too sensitive. I see this symbol as a similar thing. Some, many,of your neighbors are hurt by these symbols. If you respect and care about your neighbors you would be considerate. If you care more about yourself, your feelings and your rights, well ...
Hoo Dat February 20, 2014 at 03:50 PM
Oh I'm so butt hurt because you blind fools don't like what I said...You're the problem, I hate you all :-)
Nadja Adolf February 20, 2014 at 04:54 PM
Oh, I'm so hurt that someone would try to suppress history so that they could feel better about thsmselves - sort of like in Stalinist Russia and Nazi Germany where they sort of omitted a lot of stuff that might hurt someone's feelings. Iamnrs said: "If you care more about yourself, your feelings and your rights, well ... " I gather in Iamnrs world, we would refrain from having political signs for candidates our neighbor didn't support, we wouldn't express our opinions at community meetings because someone's feelings might be hurt, we would favor censorship of the press so no one would be emotionally traumatized, and we would be very supportive of massive surveillance so those who said a lot of hurtful things could be sent to jail and punished - oops, I meant, be taught empathy and understanding. Obviously, as polls show that most Americans aren't all that comfortable with ideas such as abortion - and the majority seem to strongly dislike the Planned Parenthood organization- we'd have to shutdown every clinic, or at least not allow them to advertise or be listed in the phone book lest someone be offended. I'm sure Iamnrs would assist in this effort, since one really should put the neighbors' feelings ahead of one's own silly rights. I'm also a little concerned about the idea that one should put the neighbors feelings ahead of one's rights. There is no right not to be offended. Unlike Iamnrs experiencce, most of my friends are mature adults who can cope with their own hurt feelings; those who can't are like the woman here in California who showed up on my doorstep. A total stranger, she showed up on my front porch to tell me that I had to remove my "I'd Rather Be Hunting" bumper sticker because it disturbed her daughter and Palo Alto was "multicultural" and I needed to respect all of the cultures in town. Apparently my culture didn't count, although hunting has been a tradition since my first white ancestors on this continent came ashore from the Mayflower. After a few minutes of listening to her progressively more emotional and illogical statements f, I told her I could understand why her daughter was disturbed, but since I was an engineer, not a child psychologist, I couldn't help. The real giggle is she assumed the truck and bumper sticker belonged to my husband; apparently she didn't understand that women who have stock, horses, or gardens find pickup trucks very handy and not at all unfeminine.
Maurice Walker February 21, 2014 at 10:33 AM
Nadja, so the point that you are making is a point about free speech- which is fine. You are free to walk around with a Confederate flag bumper sticker. You can have a KKK T-shirt. You can flip the Blood or Crip gang sign, if you wish. You can cut your mustache at the corners, part your hair and "Seig Heil" all you wish. This is all free speech. It's protected under the law. No one is protesting that. But you can't go out and buy a Georgia license plate with a Nazi symbol on it- even though some German citizens may have admired the fact that Germany fought their way into becoming a world power. You can't get a "Black Panther Party" license plate- even though they were very instrumental in the efforts of African-Americans' fight for civil rights. You know why? Because the state of Georgia would never endorse that history. But the history of those who fought and died for the continuance of the slave trade is OK?
Hoo Dat February 21, 2014 at 12:30 PM
Too bad it was blacks selling blacks in Africa..I don't know what you people are complaining about with all the free stuff you get you wouldn't even survive if you actually had to work for everything like the white people do
Hoo Dat February 21, 2014 at 12:31 PM
Oh...Sieg Heil!!

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